Hi Dr. Birnes,

Caught the Friday,July 11th Larry King episode entitled "Are UFOs Watching Us?" and am beyond ecstatic that the UFO Hunters team was on the panel and thought that the team held up extremely well. Kudos Dr. Birnes, Ted and Pat!

That being said,I'd like to move on to my actual reason for my post.In his book " Roswell: Inconvenient Facts and the Will to Believe", Karl T. Pflock offers background and documentation on the supposed crash of a flying saucer near Roswell, New Mexico, in the summer of 1947, and the alleged government cover-up.

Pflock, a then newcomer to the Roswell saga, became interested in the case because he believes there are unexplained UFO sightings that suggest alien spacecraft have visited Earth.The possibility of physical evidence -- a crashed saucer recovered by the government and hidden away -- makes Roswell a powerful lure for UFO believers, who long for something more concrete than unverified eyewitness accounts (understandably).

Roswell frequently is held up as the best example of such an event.
"That's the major light drawing the moth to the flame," Pflock said.
That is why, for example, an alleged fragment from the Roswell saucer drew international attention when it surfaced in Roswell last year, though it later was shown to be a hoax, a piece of metal made by a Utah jeweler.

Pflock began studying Roswell in 1992, and his 1994 report on his investigations was published by a mainstream UFO organization called the Fund for UFO Research.

In that report, Pflock questioned much of the evidence on which the classic versions of the Roswell tale are based, but he left open the possibility that a spaceship did crash in New Mexico 50 years ago(we're reffering to 1997).

But Pflock kept digging after the report's publication, and recently broke from the faith by going public with his doubts about the Roswell Incident.

He did it with a letter widely distributed in the UFO community.
"Based on my research and that of others," he wrote, "I'm as certain as it's possible to be without absolute proof that no flying saucer or saucers crashed in the general vicinity of Roswell or on the Plains of San Agustin in 1947. The debris found by Mac Brazel was the remains of something very earthly, all but certainly something from the Top Secret Project Mogul," an effort to develop balloons capable of listening for Soviet nuclear tests.

How, then, to explain the witnesses who claim to have seen something unusual, the stories that give rise to the classic Roswell tale of a crashed saucer and alien bodies?

The reply by skeptics is that a mysterious object came to Earth near Roswell in the summer of 1947, and was discovered by Brazel.

It was nothing more than pieces of an unusual scientific balloon experiment, but the unfamiliar debris was confusing enough that, in the midst of that summer's media "flying saucer" craze, some witnesses thought it must be one of the mysterious saucers.

Pflock points out their descriptions of the debris -- metallic fabric glued to strange sticks, for example -- match the material known to have been used in Project Mogul.

The story died when the Air Force said the "saucer" was a balloon, but Roswell was resurrected years later as reports of alien bodies and government cover-ups became part of the Roswell mystery.

Just wondering if you'd like to comment on the preceding Pflock's views as put forth by him in his aforementioned book?

P.S. Looking forward to Season Two,Sir.

Hi, Laura,

Pflock is dead wrong about the mistaken Mogul balloon because, as Stan Friedman, Tom Carey, Dennis Balthaser, and others have pointed out, the first Mogul balloons were simply twenty or so standard rubber weather balloons with radar reflectors attached to them and tethered to a thousand foot line. In other words, Pfock wants us to believe, as the USAF did, that a radar-trained nuclear bomb group intelligence officer, like Major Jesse Marcel, would not have recognized the very material he was trained to recognize.

Of course, Pflock did not have the advantage of having read Tom Carey's and Don Schmitt's excellent WITNESS TO ROSWELL (New Page, 2007) in which the authors print the Walter Haut 2002 affidavit. I think what the late Walter Haut had to say just about slams the door on Roswell. Dennis Balthaser agreed with that in his interview for our "The Real Roswell" episode on UFO Hunters. Also, look for new witnesses in that episode, who were at the debris field and who also knew what weather balloons were made of. They say that the material did not come from a balloon.

Much more to come on this, including some startling revelations from insiders in our intelligence community.

Our new season begins this September, and it will be a shocker.

Stay tuned.

Bill

Hi, Laura,

Pflock is dead wrong about the mistaken Mogul balloon because, as Stan Friedman, Tom Carey, Dennis Balthaser, and others have pointed out, the first Mogul balloons were simply twenty or so standard rubber weather balloons with radar reflectors attached to them and tethered to a thousand foot line. In other words, Pfock wants us to believe, as the USAF did, that a radar-trained nuclear bomb group intelligence officer, like Major Jesse Marcel, would not have recognized the very material he was trained to recognize.

Of course, Pflock did not have the advantage of having read Tom Carey's and Don Schmitt's excellent WITNESS TO ROSWELL (New Page, 2007) in which the authors print the Walter Haut 2002 affidavit. I think what the late Walter Haut had to say just about slams the door on Roswell. Dennis Balthaser agreed with that in his interview for our "The Real Roswell" episode on UFO Hunters. Also, look for new witnesses in that episode, who were at the debris field and who also knew what weather balloons were made of. They say that the material did not come from a balloon.

Much more to come on this, including some startling revelations from insiders in our intelligence community.

Our new season begins this September, and it will be a shocker.

Stay tuned.

Bill

I'm looking forward to it Bill!

John's Detectors

Can't wait for season 2, September seems so far away. I think the photo of General Ramey and the report he has in his hand is proof of a coverup. They didn't think ahead enough that the technology today could reveal what it said in the report.

Hi Dr. Birnes,

Thank you for bringing my attention to the Walter Haut 2002 affidavit. It
really helped clarify a few things from my end.

I had the opportunity to research that in a a recorded interview from 2000 with Wendy Connors, and Dennis Balthauser, Haut claimed to have personally viewed an extraterrestrial or alien craft and a body in a Roswell Army Air Field base hangar and being present at a senior staff meeting where a cover-up of events was discussed. Haut also placed Brigadier General Roger M. Ramey head of the Eighth Army Air Force in Fort Worth, Texas, at the meeting. Ramey would later tell the press it was in fact a misidentified weather balloon after Haut had put out the press release of the recovered "flying disc."

In December 2002, Haut also signed a sealed affidavit,henceforth the famed Walter Haut 2002 affidavit, in which he went into more details about the craft, debris, bodies, and cover-up. Both the interview and affidavit were not to be released until after his death.

The full text of the affidavit was first published in June 2007 in the book Witness to Roswell: Unmasking a 60 Year Cover-Up[. According to the authors, Haut had sworn to his friend Colonel Blanchard not to reveal in his lifetime the events he witnessed and therefore told researchers either that he couldn't remember or that he had only prepared and released the information that was given to him at the time and denied he knew anything else.

In his affidavit, Haut stated that on July 8, 1947, following the press release he put out in the afternoon, he was taken out to a base hangar by Colonel Blanchard. There he saw an egg-shaped craft about 15 feet long and several small bodies about four feet tall with large heads. He was convinced the bodies were alien and had come from a crashed spacecraft.

Haut also stated that there had been two major crash sites that he had become aware of the day before, the first a large debris field about 75 miles northwest of Roswell (the site investigated by Major Marcel), and the second, about 40 miles north of town, where the main craft and bodies were found. The north site had just been found by civilians on July 7, and apparently word had already gotten out about it in the public.

At the staff morning meeting on July 8, which Haut said he attended, key officers at the base were briefed and strange debris was handed around, which nobody could identify. Haut also said there was a discussion as to what the public was to be told. General Ramey had flown in to attend the meeting. Haut said Ramey suggested telling the public about the more distant debris field as a diversion from the more accessible and important body/craft site. He felt Ramey was following orders from The Pentagon. Haut added he was not aware at the time exactly what information was to be divulged. But the press release he put out a few hours later spoke of the more distant site in general terms, saying that the Army Air Force had come into possession of a "flying disc" with cooperation of a local rancher, and it was being flown on to "higher headquarters" after being examined at the base. "Higher headquarters" quickly turned out to be Gen. Ramey in Fort Worth, who within a few hours said the "flying disc" was a misidentified weather balloon.

The above is just a gist of the affidavit in question. If I missed anything Dr. Birnes, please feel free to comment accordingly.

I look forward in anticipation to September as the new season of The UFO Hunters begin.

I have always been a faithful follower of the team and the show and I'm sure that you know this for a fact,Sir. After all,my History Channel's post "History Channel, PLEASE Keep the UFO Hunters and Dr. Birnes" has garnered over 16,800 views.

And I will continue to support the team and yourself.

Laura Burne

Last time I checked, my History Channel's post entitled "History Channel, PLEASE Keep The UFO Hunters & Dr. Birnes" has reached over 19,700 views. Humbly speaking. I am so focused on that post that I absolutely refuse to start a new post each and every time like most of History Channel's forum members.

Within that same aforementioned post, I talk about a myriad of UFO-related subjects as well as current events around the nation.

Henceforth, I invite anyone and everyone to view my post as that very post is my tribute to Dr. Birnes and the UFO Hunters team.

I am sorry, I originally posted this letter in the wrong place.

Well Bill, its me again, Bill Heft from the Chicago area. I spoke with you by email and then by phone last year. I mentioned I might turn over to you some UFO cases. I gave you as an example the military case about the helicopters and how the men aboard would be busted when they landed if they reported the case. I said this was at the Arizona National Guard in Phoenix.

One other point about Luke AFB. I have done interviews with pilots at the base who have attempted to report sightings they had of UFO's. These pilots were told ver specifically they were not to report any UFO's, not matter what they saw. If interested, I can give you a very definitive report by a pilot at Luke AFB and what he was told about reportig it.

Now, I never identified myself for certain reasons. I want to state for the record here, Bill, I do not, do not want to steal anyone's thunder. That isn't my reason for contacting you. I rethought my decision and decided I would now come forward, especially after you are walking back over a case my organization investigated before you and your team got there. Not that there's a problem with that either, because you and your tem do a very nice job of investigation. Our problem was that APRO's work never made publication.

FRANCIS BARWOOD. I did the first interview with her and made her a member of our organization, APRO. So here goes, and this is where the fur flies again.

I am and have been since Jim and Coral Lorenzen passed away, the only director of APRO. Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, and yes, we are very much alive, still maintaining membership, such as yours truly Dennis Balthaser. It’s been a long time since we have spoken. When you see him again, tell him APRO says “Hi.”

In the past I lived in Mesa, Arizona and headed up the northern division of APRO, and worked closely with Jim Lorenzen. One day he sent me a letter asking me to officially take over part of APRO. A short time latter he passed away.

This was back in the mid 80's. It generated a lot of anger, so we moved the organization to Illinois (back where Jim and Coral started out) and have been operating very quietly here ever since.

Many years ago you and I corresponded about your magazine publishing some reports from APRO. At that time you were one of the few who did not become up set about my taking the reigns of APRO.

You and others are right about there being other witnesses about Roswell. My own brother-in-law was a partner at the funeral home in Roswell. He has never revealed this nor have we (APRO), but being a part owner of the home, he has first hand knowledge about the recovered bodies of the aliens.

The only person I confided in on this was Julie at the museum at Roswell.

Finally, the only reason I mention APRO is to prove that I actually have a tiny bit of expertise in the area of Ufology behind my name.

Best regards, Dr, William E. Heft
Director, APRO
jetski@grics.net

In reading this article it mentioned Dan Dwyer's two daughters Susan and Frankie Dwyer Rowe. I knew Susan back in the late 50's when I was stationed at Walker AFB in Roswell. If anyone knows her and if she would like to hear a voice from the past she could contact me at this email address.

Thank you.

Dear Bill...

Speaking of a last living witness, that may the case for my me requarding my father and my uncle.

Accordingly this concerns an evant during world wartwo in which a farmer encountered a UFO and it crew in a field in eastTexas. During the experience the farmer obtained some part from the craft.

These parts ended up at what was then North American Avaition near Garland Texas. This site would be later called Tempco. At that time my Uncle was the top security guard and was incharge of securing a meeting in which all present reviwed the results of testing the parts. Two elements were found to be unidentifyable. My fathere was intrusted with the story and in time I was.

Along in the late fifties I shared this story with my science teacher who was attening the UfO Convention in Houston Texas. He was amazed that I had information that was top seceret at that time.
It would be interesting if you could rereference the story.

Thank you... L.Denton