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Skeptical” Group CSI Comments on the Recent UFO-Nukes Connection Press Conference at the National Press Club — The Propaganda Push-Back Has Begun...  

The debunkers have begun their propaganda push-back, in response to my press conference at the National Press Club on Monday, during which six former USAF officers and one former enlisted man spoke about UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites. Skeptical Inquirer managing editor Benjamin Radford has just posted an article at http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/military-nuclear-weapons-aliens-disarming-100930.html in which he tries his best to discredit the ex-USAF's testimony.    

Skeptical Inquireris published by the group Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI) which used to be the Committee for the Scientific Investigations of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP). As I discovered years ago, the organization has some rather interesting and largely-unpublicized connections with the US government's nuclear weapons program--although one will have to look really hard to find any information relating to that.    

In response to Radford's post, I wrote:    

Benjamin Radford neglected to mention that he is the managing editor for Skeptical Inquirer magazine, published by the "UFO-skeptical" group CSI. Radford also failed to mention that the executive editor of the magazine, Kendrick Frazier, worked as a PR Specialist at Sandia National Laboratories--one of the US government's largest nuclear weapons labs--for more than 20 years although, with rare exceptions, he seemed shy about acknowledging that fact.    

Moreover, a leading CSI member, James Oberg, once worked with classified nukes-related secrets while in the Air Force and once privately chastised another former USAF officer, Dr. Bob Jacobs, for leaking information pertaining to the nukes-related Big Sur UFO incident. As I have written elsewhere:    

“Many years ago, I discovered that Kendrick Frazier was in fact employed—beginning in the early 1980s—as a Public Relations Specialist at Sandia National Laboratories, in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yes, the same Sandia Labs that has been instrumental to the success of America’s nuclear weapons program since the late 1940s, through its ‘ordinance engineering’ of components for bomb and missile warhead systems.    

Interestingly, Skeptical Inquirer's publisher's statement, or ‘masthead’, which appears at the beginning of each issue, never once mentioned Frazier's employment at the highly-secretive, government-funded laboratory. Instead, the magazine merely listed, and continues to list, his profession as "science writer"—a reference to his having written several books and articles on various scientific subjects. Also curious is the fact that various online biographies on Frazier—including one written by himself—also fail to mention his two-decade tenure at Sandia Labs. An odd omission indeed.    

Consequently, here is the situation: In what is arguably the most dramatic nuclear weapons-related UFO incident ever revealed [Big Sur], two former U.S. Air Force officers insist that one of our experimental nuclear warheads was actually shot down by a flying saucer. And who is responsible for publishing the first debunking article about the Big Sur incident, in which it is claimed that the UFO encounter never happened? Why, a PR guy working for the U.S. government’s nuclear weapons program!    

Furthermore, the CSICOP-Nukes Connection does not end with Kendrick Frazier. James Oberg, one of Cisco’s leading UFO debunkers, once did classified work relating to nuclear weapons at the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, located at Kirtland AFB, just down the road from Sandia Labs.    

From 1970-72, Oberg was an Air Force officer whose assignments with the Battle Environments Branch at the weapons lab involved the development and utilization of computer codes related to the modeling of laser and nuclear weapons. Oberg also served as a “Security Officer” while at the weapons lab and was, therefore, responsible for monitoring the security procedures used to safeguard the classified documents generated by his group.    

After Bob Jacobs went public with the UFO shoot-down story, Oberg wrote to him, chastising Jacobs for revealing top secret information. In his MUFON UFO Journal article, Jacobs wrote that after he broke his silence, ‘I was contacted by a variety of investigators, buffs, cranks, proponents and detractors alike. James Oberg, a frequent mouthpiece for certain NASA projects and self-styled UFO Debunker wrote to disparage my story and to ask provocatively, ‘Since you obviously feel free to discuss top secret UFO data, what would you be willing to say about other top secret aspects of the Atlas warhead which you alluded to briefly...?’ I told Mr. Oberg where to put his misplaced cynicism.’    

Despite Oberg’s charge, Jacobs has correctly pointed out that because Major Mansmann had told him that the UFO encounter ‘never happened’, he had no personal knowledge of the classification level attached to the incident.    

In any event, it is almost certain that Oberg would not have criticized Jacobs for exposing ‘top secret UFO data’, had he known that Jacobs would subsequently publish his remark. So, here we have one of CSICOP’s leading UFO debunkers—whose public stance is that UFOs don’t even exist—angrily asking Jacobs in a private letter whether he would also openly discuss ‘other’ top secret aspects of the missile test. Once a Security Officer always a Security Officer, I guess.    

For his part, CSICOP’s chief UFO-debunker, the late Philip J. Klass, aggressively hounded Dr. Jacobs after he published the warhead shoot-down story, going so far as to write a derisive letter to Jacobs’ department chairman—Dr. R. Steven Craig, Department of Journalism and Broadcasting, University of Maine—in which Klass accusingly questioned professor Jacobs’ fitness as a representative of the academic community.    

Jacobs’ understandably indignant response to Klass, titled, ‘Low Klass: A Rejoinder’, may be found online. It is a must-read for anyone wishing to understand the behind-the-scenes battle that ensued after Jacobs went public with the UFO incident.    

Among other subjects, the rejoinder touches on acrimonious correspondence between Jacobs and Klass. At one point, after Dr. Jacobs ignored Klass’ repeated demands that he respond to the debunker’s charges, Klass offered character references, citing Admiral Bobby R. Inman (USN Ret.)—the former Director of the National Security Agency, who also held Deputy Director positions at both the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency—and Lt. General Daniel O. Graham (USA Ret.), the former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and former Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Klass not only provided Jacobs with their names, but home addresses as well, and told him, ‘Both men have worked with me and gotten to know me in my efforts for Aviation Week.’    

The character references provided by Klass are certainly interesting, given his stock response over the years to those who questioned his motives. Whenever he was confronted with the charge that he was not really a UFO skeptic, but a disinformation agent for the U.S. government, Klass would always recoil indignantly and ridicule the notion. So who does he choose to present as character references in his letter to Jacobs? Two of the top intelligence officers in the U.S. government.”    

So, LiveScience, I just thought you might like to know about all of this. Interesting how Radford quickly publishes his attempted debunking of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites shortly after my press conference at the National Press Club on Monday. His comments are inaccurate and misleading. For a clearer perspective on the UFO-Nukes Connection (devoid of spin by folks who worked for the US government's nukes program and their associates) please visit my website www.ufohastings.com. My article "UFO Sightings at ICBM Sites and Nuclear Weapons Storage Areas" is a good intro to the topic.    

Robert Hastings    

END OF MY POST ON LIVE SCIENCE    

I am asking persons who read this to keep an eye out for me and to report any other articles critical of the UFO-Nukes Connection press conference posted by CSI members Benjamin Radford, Kendrick Frazier, James Oberg, James McGaha, and others. Please notify me at ufohastings@aol.com. Thank you.

Posted on 10.3.2010 by Registered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg in | Comments17 Comments

Reader Comments (17)

CSI was founded and is funded by the secular humanist church. They are a cult.
October 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterJeremy Vaeni
Hence my mellifluous word-smithing of "klasskurtxian," or the sound made when you smash a big glass urn of hissing snakes in a CSI commissary.
October 4, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg
Jeremy,

I don't think these guys are humanist. Secular materialist, yeah, humanist no. Humanism requires an imperative for the improvement of humanity. These guys are only trying to drag humanity back into the 19th century.....
October 5, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMike Good
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October 5, 2010 | Unregistered Commentersaanvi
Am I the only one who thinks the press conference was a no new news waste of time? These events have been the subject of shows on a range of networks (The Discovery Channel, TLC, The History Channel, SyFy, NatGeo, ABC, CNN, etc.) Heck, Charles Halt is almost a TV star already he's been a talking head so many time.

People in Ufology are starting to sound like Rodney Dangerfield. "Hey, we get no respect." Sheesh! Stop whining. UFOs do get media attention. I'm old enough to remember when the Alaska JAL incident was a major story reported by Tom Brokaw on NBC Nightly News. Stephensville got its fair share of reportage.

These press conferences at the National Press Club have proven to be a waste of money and time over and over again. Yet, some in Ufology have egos that seem to require them to stand at a podium at the Press Club, no matter how pointless. My prediction is there will be plenty more conferences and every one of them will be as pointless as all those that have gone before.
October 5, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterPurrlGurrl
The real expose on Hastings and Salas is James Carlson's book (Americans, Credulous - freely readable as a scribd http://www.scribd.com/doc/26641522/Americans-Credulous-by-James-Carlson), backed up by breaking new interviews with the only primary witnesses at Malstrom -- Walt Figel and Eric Carlson. http://realityuncovered.net has these interviews with Figel and Carlson published to read freely. James Carlson has been roundly censored by UFOchronicles promotion of this Malstrom UFO lie. The FOIA documents clearly corroborate that the Echo Flight missle shutdown has been lied about. Carlson and Figel were stationed at Echo Flight and state clearly that there were no lights, no ufos, etc.

James Carlson has documented the real reason for the Malstrom shutdown -- a computer malfunction. Salas originally claimed he was at Echo Flight and then changed his story. The rest of the witnesses are just corroborating rumors. Second hand corroboration of rumors is hearsay testimony -- it has no value in a court of law. Salas has been documented to have a false foundation for his Malstrom claim and the latest press conference blatantly lied about the testimony of Figel and Carlson. Figel was originally misrepresented since he was only confirming an original joke about UFOs and this joke was later blown up by Salas -- out of context -- into this Malstrom mythology.
October 6, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterdrew hempel
As I said on our forum, if Hastings called me and told me he lied about me in a book, I wouldn't keep quiet just to keep the peace. In fact, if he lied about me in a book I don't think he'd call to tell me and offer to send me a copy. Does that claim ring true to anyone here?

Plus, If Salas is lying I'll eat my hat. Mmmm... hat.
October 6, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterJeremy Vaeni
I suspect your hat is entirely safe from any gastronomic exploration, Jerms...:

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2010/10/front-page-news-in-washington-post-ufos.html

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October 6, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg
Moreover, all of Carlson's suspiciously convenient and facile concerns are addressed here:

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2010/09/echooscar-witch-hunt.html

Suspiciously convenient? Sure. Where has Carlson been since 1990 when Hastings started lecturing at colleges all over the country on the exact same subject. How is it he suddenly appears when it is announced that there is a strong initiative to formally present a compelling affair to an intellectually flatulent mainstream media?

Something else Carlson does that is reprehensible: He's the piss-wit in high school who fished a shred of your gym shorts out of the crack in casing of your gym locker with a wire coat hanger.

It's a metaphor for shameless and contrived cherry-picking called the pelicanist approach: seizing on an invented or purposely misinterpreted 'scrap' of info with ones self-described "big beak" in an attempt to discredit that 'part' so as to discredit the 'whole'. See? It's like worrying at a shred of gym-shorts protruding from a high school locker until you can jerk it out for what we used to call a "locker rupture" back in the 'day'... destroying the shorts and the locker besides... when... They were perfectly good shorts; it was a serviceable locker...

I expect Mr Carson has fallen somewhat short of beaking out a cloth shard from Hastings' locker, and may even _lose_ his beak in the process. Though probably not. I expect his activity is to allay personal fears and cowardices at best, or, at worst, muddy the waters of a more courageous research.
October 6, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg
<<Am I the only one who thinks the press conference was a no new news waste of time? These events have been the subject of shows on a range of networks (The Discovery Channel, TLC, The History Channel, SyFy, NatGeo, ABC, CNN, etc.) Heck, Charles Halt is almost a TV star already he's been a talking head so many time.

People in Ufology are starting to sound like Rodney Dangerfield. "Hey, we get no respect." Sheesh! Stop whining. UFOs do get media attention. I'm old enough to remember when the Alaska JAL incident was a major story reported by Tom Brokaw on NBC Nightly News. Stephensville got its fair share of reportage.

These press conferences at the National Press Club have proven to be a waste of money and time over and over again. Yet, some in Ufology have egos that seem to require them to stand at a podium at the Press Club, no matter how pointless. My prediction is there will be plenty more conferences and every one of them will be as pointless as all those that have gone before. >>

It isn't so much the lack of attention as the lack of serious interest and research generated by popular television shows and the occasional nightly news story. Most of the mainstream media treat UFO stories as filler fluff pieces or Weird News tidbits intended to amuse but rarely educate the viewers. If the attention generated by the UFO/nuke press conferences serves to encourage serious examination of the evidence it isn't pointless, nor an empty exercise in ego tripping, unlike some blog posts I've had the misfortune to read.
October 6, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterRaptorShaman
?Suspiciously convenient? Sure. Where has Carlson been since 1990 when Hastings started lecturing at colleges all over the country on the exact same subject. How is it he suddenly appears when it is announced that there is a strong initiative to formally present a compelling affair to an intellectually flatulent mainstream media?" Alfred Lehmberg

I didn't suddenly appear from anywhere until 2006 when Hastings started telling everybody that my father was a liar, because he refused to say UFOs were involved at Echo Flight. Keep up with the news, pal, 'cause you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You think I'm cherry picking? There are 80-pages of FOIA documents discussing Echo Flight that have been published so far, and Hastings and Salas have ignored 90% of them because they don't support their claims. Both the commander and the deputy commander at Echo Flight both insist that UFOs were not involved in that incident, and they were the only ones who were actually there at the time, so anything Hastings and Salas have to say on the subject is just trash talk -- something you seem to be pretty good at too.
As far as the blatant lies they've told, Salas said in the little press conference he held that both my father and Walt Figel have supported his claims since 1996, and he did that only two days after both of these men very publically insisted that no UFOs were involved at Echo Flight, and that Salas was either delusional or lying. Why is it that freaks like you want the whole world to believe anything at all regarding UFOs, even when the stories they've told have no basis in fact? Are you that much in love with science fiction? You don't even do the smallest bit of research to figure out what one man's claims are before insisting that he's a liar, so why should you be accepted as any type of authority on the subject? Maybe you can tell us why Salas has been forced to change his story on numerous occasions because he's been proven wrong on numerous occasions? Or why Hastings refuses to even compare his own alleged witnesses, even when they contradict each other? Or why D. Arnesson keeps telling the world he was stationed at a command adjacent to Malmstrom AFB that has never, in the entire history of the planet, even existed? Or why Hastings has still failed to answer the stack of 49 questions I put to him at ATS that he insisted he would answer nearly a year ago? Or why he and Salas have both removed every commentary, question or discussion I have put to them at UFOCHRONICLES rather than even attempt public discourse? Or why for 6 months both Hastings and Salas insisted that they had tape recordings of Walt Figel discussing UFOs at Malmstrom AFB recorded after March 2010, proving that my interviews with him were false, only to present the obviously edited crap they finally released that was from 1996?

You're a piss-poor conversationalist if the only points you're making are so easily revealed as the chattering of another brainless twit with a UFO fetish. If the best you can do is name calling, then I have no problem suggesting that you should go fuck yourself. People like you are garbage -- you say whatever you want, and make whatever dreadful claims you can to try and ruin a man's reputation without once even attempting to figure out what it is he's actually asserting. You're not doing the world any favors, pal, and your mom should have aborted you. You're just another UFO punk who hasn't even bothered to figure out why he believes what he believes -- and you can't even manage to get your own points right. Bite me...
October 20, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterJames Carlson
Not 1990, I was in arrears. The year was 1981... That said... where ya been?

You know, Mr. Carlson, those whom the gods would destroy they first make express themselves in flaccid exhortations of facile four letter words. Additionally, how much longer are you going to make the rest of us pay for that which you have no capacity to understand, no aptitude to accept, no ability to incorporate, and no skill to recognize?

Really, old son, take your wadded panties to another venue before you further embarrass yourself and are run out on a greasy rail, tar and feathers on your doughy tail.

Closing? Learn to paragraph. See, no one wants to wade your tedious excreta but a fellow lack-wit partisan.

I think we're done.
October 20, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg
It is always amazing to me that people with the worst type of obsessive, fetish, personalities never can see that in themselves. In Carlson's case you can easily spot the obsessiveness by trying to read his near 400 page book (if it were readable). Who has time to read through that type of obsessiveness merely to find out how something didn't happen? A boring debunking explanation should be easily reachable in under 20 pages.
October 20, 2010 | Registered CommenterLesley
Additionally, isn't he prosecuting just that difficulty inherent in trying to prove the negative? You know, doomed performing the tedious unnecessary to facilitate the waning interests of the increasingly unconcerned because that interest is required to prop up untested—and therefore valueless—faith in what they must know is bullshit, anyway. Explains a lot of mouth foam, doesn't it. So _certain_... hair raising.
October 20, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg
Yes, proving the negative in this case is totally unnecessary since it would be what the majority of people would believe anyhow. What the "UFO punks" believe shouldn't be of concern to him since he has made his feelings about them quite clear. Just more of his obsessive disorder showing.
October 20, 2010 | Registered CommenterLesley
Hhhmm, a little perspective needed, I think.

Here is the rub: James Carlson thinks he is protecting the sanctity of his father's "name". Nothing more. In so doing, he naturally has to throw out the baby with the bath water. Whether his story concerning dear old dad is 100% on the up and up is irrelevant. If only his dad, and dad alone, (well maybe Figel too) were the lynch-pins to this expanding story, then perhaps babies should be passing through sewer pipes.

But that is not the case. In order to justify his pissing match with Hastings and Salas, he feels the need to portray every UFO/nuke story as pure rubbish. Since Carlson senior and Figel clearly do not believe in UFOs, then the whole mindset hinges on the concept that it is all fantasy.

Well, no. It is not fantasy. There are plenty of witnesses to these things, even without Carlson or Figel. If you go back and read Figel's original statements, he was more forthcoming in the past. He saw the UFO reports from the time as a "joke". Later on he back pedaled hard: he didn't want people thinking he was one of those "fruitcakes" that believes in UFOs or things that go bump in the night.

Just like the blatantly atheist beliefs of Darwin, only one answer will do for these folks: UFOs don't exist. Nothing else will banish the "fruitcake taint" of UFO-creep but the intellectual rejection of anything concerning them. I kind of sympathize with James Carlson. It must be hard to carry such an obsessive festering grudge for so long. Lighten up dude, you can blow a gasket that way.

And here is the perspective: what does James Carlson's burning grudge against Hastings and Salas have to do with UFO/nuke stories?

Nada, zilch, nuttin', nil, zip. I think that about covers it.
October 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMike Good
That's fair Mike, and while I can sympathize with him too, I still have to ask myself, "how much longer is this 'unfortunate sympathetic' going to make the rest of us pay for that which he has no capacity to understand, no aptitude to accept, no ability to incorporate, and no skill to recognize?"

I report that he's not getting another "dime," from me, can pack his sand high, tight, and out of sight, and can park himself on a spinning thumb, n'est ce pas? "Perspective" on these facile cack-wits has run out with all idiosyncratic credit and "Christian" patience. It's war, dig? No quarter offered or expected. All that remains —apart from "Nada, zilch, nuttin', nil, and zip"— is a greasy smear of mal-intellectual hair, teeth, and eyeballs. Posted.

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October 21, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAlfred Lehmberg

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